Microsoft Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive - Console Tech (2024)

lawilson2

Premium Member

2006-Sep-21 11:25 am

Microsoft put some potential dents in the PlayStation 3's high-def armor during the company's Tokyo Game Show press conference, revealing a Japanese release date and a price point for the HD-DVD drive (November 22, approximately $177) as well as plans to support HD-DVD, video, and games in 1080p after a software update in the fall.

More info from CNET here... »reviews.cnet.com/Microso ··· netfd.mt

Anonymous_

Premium Member

2006-Oct-5 12:57 am

i think it's a Scam u have to "pay Extra" for the drive

so in the End cost for your 360 is 643$ with included TAX @ 8.5% (same amount as the PS3)

lawilson2

Premium Member

2006-Oct-5 2:27 am

How is it a scam? You think they should give a HD-DVD drive away free? What is a good price to you?

I personally am very hesitant because we truly don't know which format will eventually be the dominant one. Don't forget what happened with Betamax and VHS, and even DVD and Divx. I want the wars to play out first before I invest, only to be disappointed later.

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-5 2:57 am

Anonymous_ to lawilson2

Premium Member

2006-Oct-6 6:02 pm

why?

High Latency (USB)
Needs a Lot of cpu Power cause of USB
low bandwidth (480mbps is burstable speed )
NO HDMI output

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-6 10:05 pm

um.

HD-DVD uses under 480mbps
HDMI can be added as a replacement to the component cables(not offical, but they will make them)
CPU power = minimal other then decode and display(not like rendering a game)

BluRay
DRM heavy
Self Distruct command
Watermark
Callhome
slow drive speed
bloated display software
minimal surface protection
did i mention all of sonys departments had a part in creating the DRM for it, like, BMG for example.

Anonymous_

Premium Member

2006-Oct-7 3:46 am

how many people are going to be paying "extra" for the add on?

at least i not a sucker for paying to play a game online

or wasting Money on a lemon

my USB mouse uses 18%(cpu Power) of two cores

oh yea if you are using all 3 USB ports it's going to be slowed down even more

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-7 9:59 am

18% cpu power ?

what the f*ck is your mouse, a TB of scripts ?

i have a wireless keyboard and mouse over USB and they use none if not minimal amounts of cpu time on my DC system, so stop making things up to make your point.

as for the lemon comment, think about it for a second, you buy a PS3, BR fails, now you have a system that is supposed to play movies but there are no movies for it, and if there are they are expensive. where MS can release a HD-DVD drive, and if it fails, they can release another drive(being a BR drive) and it doesn't take away from the system. so which is the lemon now ?

Anonymous_

Premium Member

2006-Oct-7 2:41 pm

it's a 2000 DPI Laser USB 2.0 Mouse

Logitech G5
that is upto 18% of cpu power evens out at about 15%(core 1)

»www.hardwaresecrets.com/news/483
6.4 megapixels of image processing per second and sport full-speed bi-directional USB connection which delivers 500 reports per second.

That is why they make Combo Drives for Computers (via Component OUT for movies)
i will get my when it is 100$ for BR/HD-dvd Burner

and i do not use my game system(s)
to plays movies it just wears them out much faster

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-7 7:25 pm

plat2on1 to lawilson2

Member

2006-Oct-7 11:47 pm

no HDMI on the 360 makes the hd-dvd addon usesless.

you are limited to SPDIF output for audio which means your stuck with the old audio formats.

anyone who buys it is a fool.

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-8 12:50 am

plat2on1

Member

2006-Oct-8 1:01 am

that is exactly what i said it does...SPDIF is dead.

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-8 1:27 am

SPDIF is far from dead FYI

thing with HDMI to hook to a reciver it has to support HDMI and then you need to output from the reciver(after splitting the audio from the stream) and run the video to the display.

which is more expensive ? really think about it before you post a response.

plat2on1

Member

2006-Oct-8 1:53 am

oh so people who are dropping $400 on console + $200 for a hd-dvd addon who owns a $1500+ HDTV is suddenly worried about the cost?

the point is you cant get "next gen" audio formats from the hd-dvd addon for the xbox360.

and like i said in my first post, you would be a fool to buy it.

edit: just want to add that HDMI isn't the ONLY way to listen to these new formats, they can be decoded by the player and outputed via analog jacks.

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-8 1:11 pm

so you just went from saying that SPDIF is dead(which is digital) to pushing analog which last time i checked is lower quality then digital.

and for the $400+$200, think about the people buying the PS3 that are paying $600 to begin with without the option of not getting the drive ?

that's the thing about the player that i think your missing, it is an ADDON not a bundled peice of hardware, which means you can decide to just not get one.

and another refrence to the math at the top, most people don't like having to update their audio systems everytime a new connection pops up.

plat2on1

Member

2006-Oct-8 4:46 pm

i dont know why you think analog is lower quality then digital. thats just being uninformed.

who cares about the ps3? is this thread about the ps3? this thread is about the hd-dvd addon for the 360, which is a waste of money.

Anonymous_ to BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-8 5:09 pm

it's not even a HDTV but i am thinking about getting one after i get a job

my only HDTV is my monitor (supports HDTV) MAX =1080I via DVI w/HDCP

and it's native PC resolution is 1680 X 1050

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Sircolby450

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2006-Oct-8 6:50 pm

BonezX to plat2on1

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2006-Oct-9 3:32 pm

cbrigante2

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2006-Oct-9 3:49 pm

I guess I really have to hand it to the marketing dept. at Sony. They have most potential buyers interested in paying a premium for a system that 98% cannot take advantage of.

As much as we say the main advantage with the HD-DVD add on drive is that it is not required to play games, it seems to be falling on broken logic.

How many of us have a 1080p capable set with HDMI and are willing to dive into a new media format? I will agree with anyone that having Blu Ray bundled with the PS3 is a good deal for blu ray players. This does not equate to a good deal for a game console.

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Anonavcedu

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2006-Oct-9 4:15 pm

skyjock41 to lawilson2

Premium Member

2006-Oct-12 7:49 pm

I go with statistics when deciding what format im going to side with. First off......HD DVD players can be had right now for $399. Cheapest BR player i saw last i checked was $999. That tells me HD DVD is going to flood the market.

Now on to HDMI vs components. I have used the HD components on my 1080i TV for almost a year. Finally decided to get a HDMI to see what the hype is all about. Cant see a difference.

1080p is just hype in my opinion. No cable or dish providers have it. And when the majority public is out looking for a HDTV and they see a 1080p TV for $3000 and a 1080i tv on clearance for $1600 less which way you think they are going to sway? I know if i was standing in the store i would think to myself........is $1600 more worth the 2 BR/HD movies ill play a month at 1080p? Answer is: NO

Lastly i vote for the addon attachment vs the already there.

Anonymous_

Premium Member

2006-Oct-13 6:45 pm

what is the DOA rate on the 360s? 99% of them?
(this includes disk read error and lock ups)

also do u know that 1080I = 540P

BonezX

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2006-Oct-13 7:24 pm

cbrigante2 to Anonymous_

Premium Member

2006-Oct-14 1:16 pm

Not correct.

Anonymous_

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2006-Oct-14 4:07 pm

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10 ··· vs_1080p

1920 × 1080 or about 2.07 million pixels, and a field resolution of 1920 × 1080 / 2 (because it's interlaced) or about 1.04 million pixels.

BonezX

Premium Member

2006-Oct-14 6:27 pm

it's based on vertical scan, it IS 1080 horizontal resolution rendered at 30hz(instead of 60 which is progressive scan)

IE
1080p = 1920x1080@60hz
1080i = 1920x1080@30hz

Rivalman
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Rivalman to lawilson2

Member

2006-Oct-15 12:31 am

LoL @ doa of 99%! Haha, that's wishful thinking from a PS fanboy. Turns out it was about 5%. I'm looking for the link from CNN and when I find the backstory i'll post it up.
Do you really think that PS3 won't have any hardware issues? lol, ya, Sony has such a good hardware record..... *cough batteries *cough *cough. I mean c'mon, it's a battery, not a PS3, they should be able to pull that off without hitches. At least with something complicated it's somewhat understandable. Oh, and why is the price so high? Do you really think it's because the hardware is so good? The folks at IGN are saying that Call of Duty 3 is running much better on 360 than Ps3. They are both due out at the same time by the way. As for the price of the Ps3, well they have to charge a little more because the yeild on the chip is so low. They are throwing out a tonne of them, so I just thought I would point out that with all bleeding edge stuff comes some problems. But lets not point fingers because this will just get ugly Just remember when you go and buy a Ps3 and those "cell", *cough marketing hype *emotion engine flashback *cough, chips keep failing....well, the point being someone has to pay for those failed chips. Microsoft has the cash so that the consumer would not have to pay for that, Sony.... well, I think they have some batteries to pay for before they even think about covering too many costs on their own.

Peace out!

Anonymous_

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2006-Oct-16 11:24 pm

The PS2's that failed were ones that Little kids had

my PS2 works to this day i had it for over 3 years it plays all cd's and all dvd's
the tray was getting stuck but i fixed it by loosen the screws and cleaned out all the dust